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Clarification with Shrine for True Alpinism Heroes
Monday, 09 October 2023 09:27

German press did not correctly translate the English word “legacy” used in the original press release, but wrongly translated it to “outdated” (in German), and that is far from what it was meant. The wrong translation appeared later in the international press too. Well, actually it should have been clear that neither 8000ers.com nor Guinness wanted - or could - delete those titles.

We would like also stress that Guinness did not determine the, from our point of view, necessary changes, but only 8000ers.com. They were well thought through proposals, how to handle the obviously Past-Future-Dilemma. Guinness just collect and publish claimed records confirmed by us.

That's just some parts of the German-speaking press - which didn't read anything about the 8000ers.com’s detailed statement - but immediately sensed a scandal and straight published it without fact-checking. Honestly, nobody has taken away any well-deserved title or importance from Jerzy Kukuczka, Gerlinde Kaltenbrunner, or from Reinhold Messner either. There wasn't a word about that in the press release either.

The detailed research information, published in the form of tables and detailed pdf documents was meant to show the results of years-long, accurate, collectively shared study.

We were and we are convinced that the results of our investigations are correct and should simply be published out of respect for the self-sacrificing work of the researchers over the years, which also includes experienced alpinists, involved in the process.

The “Historical Recognition Table” (now "Legacy Table") was actually intended to be as a “friendly bridge connecting and separating two eras”. We are convinced that it will remain the most important historical table in the history of 14 8,000-meter mountain climbers, and that it should be the respectful final table. It is valid forever and no research result was taken to account.

Lots of the climbers of the past believed to be on the highest point of the 8,000m peaks. Those ascents were historically accepted and we did not want to change them, we wanted only to classify them based on our research work.

With the appearance of the Nirmal Purja phenomenon, that earlier era should be considered historically ended, as an Alpine historical legacy. In fact, today's quick collection of all 14x8,000m peaks has nearly nothing to do with the summentioned era, for evident reasons. To be mentioned that one of the goals of this chart at the time of its 2022 publication was to seek for help from the community in order to fill all the blanks listed as “no evidence” (which don’t forcibly mean no summit!).

The former "new" table is actually only a transitional table in which the results of the passionate researchers are shown out of respect, but they also have a retrospective historical value and are very informative for several perspectives in the future.

The third table is designed for current and future quick summit collectors, the team being fully aware of the radical differences existing between this new era’s sport-like practices and the traditional exploration alpinism for which style first of all matters. Considering the absence of feedback from alpine institutions since 2021, it’s based on some simple rules widely recognized and accepted for years now, and already executed by many climbers. The simplest of those is: the summit is the summit.

These climbers will have to climb to the true summit since they know already where it is due to our work. Incidentally, the Nepalese outfitters have been informed of this by a team member since 2019 and since then, they are sticking to it.

The fact that Edmund Viesturs was the first person to actually climb the 14 8000 to the highest point in the last era is worth at least a mention and should also be honored. The fact that he thereby obliterates the old record is just the fantasy of superficial journalists, which so many have fallen for. A transfer to the third, new table for mountaineers of the old elite, because they want to complete the right peaks, forms the connection and upcoming acceptance of this historical separation of eras.

Finally, I would like to conclude that everything was well-intentioned and without any intent of rewrite history or cancel historical climbs; it was maybe not communicated in the best way but also misinterpreted and summarized ambiguously by some. A more detailed report is still being worked on with all aspects and perspectives, and it would be helpful if you now look closely at the three tables by also reading the headings realizing that from a chronicler’s point of view, the whole research was a gigantic past-future dilemma occurring in an unprecedented context of change for climbing the highest peaks in Himalaya and Karakorum.

The tables are created according to our latest status.

Legacy Table

Transition Table
 
Manaslu and Summary
Sunday, 18 October 2026 09:50

1) My Three Big Mistakes


When I saw the first “summit” pictures of Manaslu back in the early 2000s, I thought it were impossible for them to have been taken from the same place as those from the 1956 Japanese first ascent, with its broad summit of two different brown rock colours.

I talked about it with a mountaineer who had been in the summit region, and he said that it was the same place, only covered with a lot of snow in the autumn. Despite still having doubts, I decided to believe him because he had been there (first big mistake).

Even in the 2012 book “Herausforderung 8000er”, I did not change my mind. Somehow, I wanted to believe him. In 2012 there were even true-summit photos around by a New Zealand-Australia-Nepal expedition, but one of the perspectives made the higher summit look lower, so I did not recheck more carefully (second big mistake).

And even a later year, when the mountaineer visited me again and Tobias Pantel was also present and asked whether all the Manaslu summit pictures that our whole team had rechecked could not have been of [or from] the true summit, I wanted to defend the mountaineer and rather harshly told Tobias that he must be wrong (third big mistake).

Not much later Tobias convinced me that he was right, that I had also been right for a long time, and that the mountaineer was totally wrong. I apologized to Tobias and asked him if he could produce a study for Manaslu in the same way we had already done for Dhaulagiri I and Annapurna I.

We collected photos and drew sketches and Tobias made a fine summary that we published in 2019. We found that over 2,000 wrong summits had been claimed, who in fact had only reached a point on the ridge that changed direction.

The photos from the Polish 1984 expedition that I received were taken from the other side of the mountain, and the new route ended just at the true summit. In the 2019 publication it was already possible to see the connecting ridge from the wrong “summit” ridge point, the last col before the true summit, and a tiny high point of the true summit above it (picture 17, page 17 in the Manaslu Summit Summary PDF), but it took the drone pictures from Jackson Groves of Mingma Gyalje’s 2021 traverse finally convinced everybody that all future ascents should change.

In the meantime a great many true summits were reached, and many climbers corrected their earlier false “summits”. Last autumn even the then 86-years-old Carlos Soria finally went to the true summit and Vassili Pivtsov did as well. If Pivtsov also goes back to Dhaulagiri I, he will be the sixth climber listed in both main tables: the Legacy table which omits the research results in honour of the pioneering work, and the New Table, where only true summits count. Out of 34 climbers in the Legacy table only three climbers had reached all the true summits before the research results were published; two climbers later each corrected two of them.


2) The “Rolwaling Diversion” and Summary


It has been five years since Mingma Gyalje found a route variation to the true summit of Manaslu in autumn, avoiding the exposed and technically difficult last section of ridge that earlier parties had followed to the main summit in spring.

Since then there were 1781 true-summit ascents, and many climbers have corrected earlier “summits” that had previously stopped on the ridge point where the crest changes direction.

So many climbers stopped there because they could not see the true summit from that point. Of the 42 climbers, who have now stood on the true summits of all 14 eight-thousanders, 26 corrected Manaslu; others also corrected Dhaulagiri I, Annapurna I and some other mountains. All of this is recorded in the updated New Table.

Most of the more than 100 corrections on Manaslu were made by Nepalese guides, but several were also made by climbers from other countries. The second table lists all of them, plus the Nepali climbers who have completed the 14 eight-thousanders.

For an overview, the Transition table has also been updated.

The fourth updated table shows all female climbers with at least three 8,000ers, plus those who claimed three of them with one or two incorrect summits. Quite a few female climbers were on this ridge point and would still need to correct it if they want to complete the 14 main eight-thousanders.

Other updated tables are available for anyone interested:

1. A nations table for all 8000ers

2. A nations table for all female climbers on all 8000ers

3. A table with at least 9 Everest ascents, 190 entries

4. A table with at least 20 8000ers ascents 58 entries

5. A table with all who climbed the Top 2 (Everest and K2) 539 entries

6. A table with all who climbed the TOP 3 (plus Kangchenjunga) 192 entries

7. A table with all who climbed the TOP 5 (plus Lhotse and Makalu) 147 entries

For the last three there are also special nation tables, no-oxygen tables and tables for female climbers. Please note that the altitude difference from No. 5, Makalu, to No. 6, Cho Oyu is nearly 300 meters. With two exceptions, the lower 8000ers were already climbed without bottled oxygen on their first ascents, so this is nothing special today.

8. A table with all five Pakistani 8000ers including nations statistics. 134 entries

9. A table with the Everest Triple Crown (Everest, Lhotse and Nuptse) 21 entries

Here is also an overview about the almanac entries, updated daily:

Birthdates: 12180 (101 Rock-climbers included)

Covering nearly all climbers, who have ascended a mountain or subsidiary peak higher than 7700 m.

Death dates: 792 (19 Rock-climbers included)

First ascents dates in High Asia and the Andes: 1974

Important event dates: 34

I also can offer worldwide special topographic mountain tables including one with all Nepalese peaks down to 5800 m. There are 1486 entries with all topographic details, 729 of them unclimbed, the others also with the first ascent dates.

All this and much more has been a giant task compiled over more than 45 years of passion.

To help this work continue - and simply to survive - it is now very necessary that the donation button is finally used. There have been more than 800,000 downloads since 2008 with almost no donations. Just a few euros per download would help a great deal. For the other tables please contact me; we can find an arrangement that works for both sides.


3) 2026: The Weather and A Proposal


The current season should have been a record one with probably more than 1000 climbers, but because after an avalanche that killed two climbers, and a massive, severe late-monsoon storm system fueled by a low-pressure system and an approaching cyclone from the Bay of Bengal all activities were stopped.

After four lucky and successful seasons the fifth anniversary of the “Rolwaling Diversion” was an unsuccessful one. In this case I would like to make a proposal: As known from older summit pictures the true summit of Manaslu is very beautiful with its two different brown rock layers, and this cannot be seen in autumn.

In the Manaslu Summit Summary PDF on 8000ers.com there are severaI examples from the first ascent in 1956 by a Japanese/Nepalese expedition and from later summits in 1999 by an USA-Finland expedition and 2012 by New Zealand-Australia-Nepal expedition mentioned above (pictures 18 and 19 on page 18). The rappel from the C3 Foresummit into the col before the true summit is also shown in some examples, one from the first femaIe ascent by a Japanese expedition in 1974 and from 2012 (NZ-Aus-Np) and 2002 by an Australian expedition (pictures 20 to 22, pages 20 to 22). Even Reinhold Messner found the true summit in 1972 and described it well in his Manaslu book and he was alone, because he sadly lost his partner on ascent.

Before 2013 probably all climbers thought they were on the true top, but in 2013 some Nepalese Sherpa climbers continued and the true summit became visible (Picture 9 on Page 11). They found the last section too difficult and thought that the ridge point counts anyway, so they and also their clients continued to stop at the wrong point during the following years.

So, if at least the first ascenders and the first female ascenders were successful long ago in spring, I think, the modern expedition companies should be able to organize spring ascents in the future, when the beauty of the summit would be visible and the ascent would probably be less dangerous than in autumn.

Maybe not that many would be willing to do this, especially because most climbers are focused on Everest and Lhotse, but they should think twice about it. Just have a look on the pictures mentioned above with the part dark and part light brown beautiful summit in spring and then discuss and decide. I think, Manaslu has spoken now through nature.

Also was it coincidence that after Manaslu was first climbed without additional oxygen by Messner in 1972, there was a big avalanche in the autumn of that year and when the last spring ascent by Guy Cotter’s expedition in 2012 was achieved, again in autumn was a big avalanche catastrophe. So at least a big part of the activity on Manaslu should change to the spring season. I hope there will be a discussion about it after this sad 2026 season.

Manaslu Summit Overview PDF

Legacy Table

Transition Table

New Era Table

Manaslu Correctors Table

Women 3+ Table


 

 
High Asia to 6650 m!
Monday, 31 August 2015 12:17

A new table is published here.

 

The old table to 6750 is expanded now to 6650 m with all new research results from partly restricted and rare maps. I hope you enjoy!

 
Manaslu Summit Area Update
Monday, 10 May 2021 12:23

 

Since we could receive a photo from the South Ridge of Manaslu to the true summit ridge it was necessary to update the overview. Here (picture 17) one can see the whole ridge from the mainly climbed shoulder (C2) to the Foresummit (C3) and the col to the Main summit.

We asked the whole mountaineering community 21 months ago to help to find a solution with this big problem. Somehow it seems that many simply do not know what to do about it. As there was no advisory from anybody it seems that we should make the rules. But there will be no rules at all, just facts. The climbers within proposed «Tolerance Zones» will be noted in a «historical table» with distances to the true tops noted, but of course then there must be a new table with only the ones who finished all climbs on the true top (past, if some and future). It will be necessary for future climbers to know, where each of the «firsts» stopped. If one continues to the true summit, he might be the first from his country, or the first woman or any other first to do so. This will happen despite the proposed «Tolerance Zones». So it will become necessary that every climber who was on Manaslu states where he stopped or show a summit photo. As this is a huge amount of work to research the past completely and also it must be done for Annapurna I and Dhaulagiri I it would be just normal that it should be supported by all Alpine Clubs for the sake of accuracy and just for the truth. Also it would be a new run for correct «firsts». There also will be possibilities for firsts to complete the 14 for many countries of the 24 that are now noted as finished without the new knowledge. Yes, it changes history, but better change than just wrong.

On Manaslu we know already the summit points from 35 of the 44 in the 14-8K table. Six were on the true top, 25 were on points C2 to C3 (possible Tolerance Zone) and three to four were below any possible Tolerance Zone, so must be deleted from the « historical table », but of course mentioned below it. And there are nine, where we still do not know where they were. On Annapurna I and Dhaulagiri I we also still need the photos or descriptions from several climbers. They should realize that it is serious and necessary for all the mentioned reasons and it needs to correct or confirm all these historical ascents.

Manaslu

 

 
2025 Review 1
Monday, 13 April 2026 12:01

 

Eberhard Jurgalski and his team at 8000ers.com are pleased to present the 2025 Tables Compilation Summary.
As the landscape of high-altitude mountaineering continues to evolve, our mission remains the same: to provide the climbing community with the most accurate data available. This work is supported by a dedicated technical team committed to maintaining these rigorous standards. By combining historical expertise with modern verification, we ensure that every summit claim is held to the highest level of scrutiny.
2025 Tables Compilation Summary
In 2025, there were again several finishers of the 14 eight-thousanders. The total in the New Era table now stands at 39, 15 of them female. Eight climbers completed the challenge this year, four of them women. The total number of corrections on different mountains after former wrong summits now stands at 42.
He Jing from China reclimbed Manaslu and has therefore completed the 14 true 8,000m summits, all without supplemental oxygen.
In addition, the then 86-year-old climber Carlos Soria corrected his false Manaslu summit after 15 years; he now needs only two more mountains (Dhaulagiri I and Shisha Pangma) to finish the 14 true 8,000m summits.
A surprising addition has been made to the New Era table. After research conducted with Denis Urubko, it has finally been confirmed that Denis Urubko also climbed the 14 true summits during the Legacy Era. He is now listed in both tables.
The New Era table, the Women 3+ table, the updated Transition table, and the Manaslu Main-correctors table are now published. All other main tables (for example: Nation table total, Nation table female, First 2, First 3, and First 5, plus all of them without supplemental oxygen, and more) are available upon request.
Our Team & Future Work
We would also like to introduce the members of the 8000ers.com team:
* Eberhard Jurgalski (Founder)
* Kris Annapurna
* László Pintér
* Thaneswar Guragai
* Jochen Hemmleb (Consultant)
The work of the 8000ers.com team goes beyond documenting past achievements. We are currently working on new research initiatives and analytical tools to further enhance how Himalayan history is recorded and shared. We look forward to announcing these
developments in the near future.
Best regards, 8000ers.com

 


 
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